Wednesday, 3 November 2021

Post and Go update - Index of last two years and summary of recent comments.

Regular readers and especially Post and Go collectors will be aware of the post from May 2019 which has had more comments and updates than any other by our loyal readers.

It seems as if the comment limit or text limit may have been reached.  Recent comments appeared briefly, but then I found that some earlier comments had not been moderated through, and when I let them through, others dropped off the end.

Update: Thank you for comments and suggestions.  There is far too much work involved in splitting off all the 2021 comments into this post; instead I have repeated those made from September onwards and added any which failed to make the cut.  If I have omitted any please let me know.

A new post will be started in 2022.



The May 2019 blogpost started from the premise that nothing was happening with no new P&G designs: 

As readers will know there have been no new Post and Go stamps issued by Royal Mail, and none is in the programme for the current year.

And certainly from that point of view nothing has changed.  

What we have had since 2019 are several postage rate changes and new 'values' of stamps which have slowly increased the total value of the collectors strip.  So I'll start this post with a summary/index of other P&G posts.

Autumn Stampex 2019 - Postal Museum and digitally printed Mail by Air

Postal Museum Great Train Robbery Exhibition - unavailable from machines.

Postal Museum second machine 

Poppy stamp at Military Museums; Mail by Rail

Official list of special P&G usage for Autumn 2019

May 2020: Open Value P&G guest article

September 2020: New tariff, Zones on P&G

September 2020: Zones in re-opening Museums 

September 2020: Closed museum special issue for closed Stampex

October 2020: More re-opening museums

October 2020: Postal Museum re-opening again 

November 2020: TPM: what actually happened

November 2020: Winter Greenery at PO Branches  

December 2020, new tariff: P&G Implications

January 2021 new tariff - errors.

April 2021 - errors and museums

May 2021 - re-opening of Postal Museum

June 2021 - Explosions Gosport

July 2021 - errors and naval museums


Comments on the earlier post.   Just in case they disappear because of action or inaction by me, the comments made on the 2019 post since August this year, mainly concerning branch closures and changes, are reproduced here:

  1. Malcolm 20 September 2021 at 13:01

    I wonder if there is anyone out there who can help me get a little nearer to completing my collection of post & go stamps.
    I collect 1st and 2nd class singles both Machin and pictorial from each kiosk in the country and I am in need of 2 * 1st class Machins from both kiosks k67 and k68 at Perth.
    If they happen to be there I also need 2 * 2nd class Pictorials from k68.
    Unfortunately Perth is not an office who replies to postal requests and these were not available when I last visited when the Perth stamp show was on probably in 2019.
    To their credit many offices do respond to postal requests and seem interested in my collection.


  2. Trevor 12 October 2021 at 17:56

    Brighton 11/10/21

    K67 Machin R20YAL 1st CL18S 2nd
    K67 Machin R19YAL 1st CL17S 2nd
    K69 Working but just dispensing labels

    Bournemouth (Seamoor Road) 12/10/21

    Both Kiosks Out of Service


    1. Malcolm 14 October 2021 at 15:58

      According to a fellow collector who used to live near Bournemouth these kiosks have been out of use since the start of pandemic.

  3. Chris 14 October 2021 at 15:06

    Apart from the Military Museums on 11/11/2021, do we know whether Poppies are going to appear in Post Office branches this year ?

    Replies

    1. Malcolm 14 October 2021 at 15:56

      Unsure whether they will appear in NCR as a new printing although I am sure some branches may insert them with any unused stock they have.

      One other upcoming overprint prior to the Remembrance issue at the 5 static sites will be A002 at the NMRN, where HMS Victory is located, will have a ‘Pop Up’ overprint to mark the Battle of Trafalgar.
      Overprint on current Union Flag and Machin = Trafalgar Day
      The overprint will run from the 21st to 31st October.



    2. Trevor 15 October 2021 at 18:24

      The man in Brighton last Monday (who also covers Heaywards Heath!) told me he hadn't been told anything yet when I asked



    3. Malcolm 16 October 2021 at 10:25

      I was told by a fellow collector who lives in Manchester that one of the offices in the Manchester / Liverpool area sorry I cant recall which one that the remaining poppy stock they held was going to be inserted.


  4. Trevor 17 October 2021 at 17:07

    Exeter 16/10/21

    K67 Machin MA16 1st MA14 2nd
    K68 Machin R18YAL 1st CL18S 2nd
    K69 Machin R18YAL 1st CL17S 2nd
    K70 Machin R18YAL 1st CL16S 2nd
    K71 Machin R18YAL 1st CL17S 2nd

  5. Anonymous 19 October 2021 at 10:15

    Three Offices from 18 October 2021

    584246 Solihull WHS
    SSK67 machine not working properly
    SSK68 1st class Machin MA19 - 2nd Machin CL17S
    SSK69 1st class Machin MA16 - 2nd class ?? Machine had problems with 2nd class printer
    SSK70 machine not working properly


    422205 Coventry WHS
    SSK67 1st class Machin R18YAL - 2nd class Machin CL16S
    SSK68 1st class Machin R20YAL - 2nd class Machin CL19S
    SSK69 1st class Machin R18YAL - 2nd class Machin CL18S


    153641 Shrewsbury WHS
    SSK 67 1st class Machin R20YAL - 2nd class Machin CL17S
    SSK 68 1st class Machin R20YAL - 2nd class Machin CL19S
    2nd class printer cuts randomly - sometimes cut bottom of stamp high, sometimes just trims sometimes normal

    DP

 


I have now tried to reproduce the comments which have been posted since 19 October.

1. Chris 20 October 2021 0835: Post Office in Swindon have received this years Christmas Post & Go issue, though couldn't tell me what exact issue the Post Office are putting in their machines as the manager was away and the safe locked.

2. Malcolm 20 October 2021 1830: One office closure to report from the 4th December 2021.
Wigan 390460 will close, very short lived this branch having only opened on the 6th June 2019.

1. Anonymous 30 October 2021 0813:  The Post Office consultations website now carries the details of the closure https://www.postofficeviews.co.uk/national-consultation-team/wigan-wn1-1ug/

3. Chris 22 October 2021 1034: Have now confirmed that Winter Greenery is being put in the Post Office machines on 02/11/2021. All the reels I have seen were R20YAL.

4. Anonymous (DP) 23 Oct 2021, 08:56: Three more from the West Midlands (22/10/21)

283242 Walsall
SSK67 1st class Machin R18YAL - 2nd class Machin CL18S
SSK68 1st class Machin MA16 - 2nd class Machin CL16S


554201 Harborne WHS
SSK67 1st class Machin MA19 - 2nd class Machin CL18S
SSK68 1st class Machin MA19 - 2nd class Machin CL18S


304618 Hereford WHS
SSK67 out of service
SSK68 1st class Machin R19YAL - 2nd class Machin CL18S
SSK69 1st class Machin R19YAL - 2nd class Machin CL18S
SSK70 1st class Machin R17YAL - 2nd class Machin CL18S

5. Trevor 23 Oct 2021 1848: Nailsea 19/10/2021

K67 Machin R17YAL 1st MA15 2nd
K68 Machin R17YAL 1st MA15 2nd

6. Anonymous 27 October 2021 0743: 27 October 2021

153641Shrewsbury WHS
SSK 67 1st class Machin R20YAL - 2nd class Machin CL17S
SSK 68 1st class Machin R20YAL - 2nd class Machin CL19S - 2nd class printer now cutting normally, still on CL19S

283242 Walsall
SSK67 1st class Machin R18YAL - 2nd class Machin CL18S
SSK68 1st class Machin MA16 - 2nd class Machin CL16S

304618 Hereford WHS
SSK67 Out of service
SSK68 1st class Machin R19YAL - 2nd class Machin CL18S
SSK69 1st class Machin R19YAL - 2nd class Machin CL18S
SSK70 1st class Machin R17YAL - 2nd class Machin CL18S

422205 Coventry WHS
SSK67 1st class Machin R18YAL - 2nd class Machin CL16S
SSK68 1st class Machin MA16 - 2nd class Machin CL17S
SSK69 1st class Machin R18YAL - 2nd class Machin CL18S

554201 Harborne WHS
SSK67 1st class Machin R19YAL - 2nd class Machin CL18S
SSK68 1st class Machin R19YAL - 2nd class Machin CL18S

7.  Trevor 2 November 2021 2048: Winter Greenery R21YAL & CL21S on Ebay tonight

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/154681249742?hash=item2403b88fce:g:B7oAAOSwGn9hgUBb


 

I believe these are all the comments which dropped off the original 2019 post.  My thanks to JG for pointing out that something was amiss before the email notifications of these disappeared forever.

 

Winter Greenery 2021

While some offices are using old stock, as Trevor pointed out above the 21-coded stock has already appeared on eBay.   RW sent this image of the box label indicating that the new 2021-coded stamps should not be used before 2 November.

Winter Greenery Post and Go stamps box labels showing first day of sale as 2 November 2021.

UPDATE 16 November:  DP has sent this picture of the output from Leicester this week showing a couple of glitches in the printing, adding "The sessions between the strips were stamps for postage, both of which printed normally."

Post and Go Winter Greenery printing glitches from Leicester Post Office 15.11.2021


UPDATE 26 November:  I should have included these earlier news snippets from IntelligentAR concerning the 'Lest We Forget' inscription to be used at military museums.

August 4, 2021 Remembrance Day at NMRN sites

Remembrance Day will be marked at all NMRN Sites with an underprint of ‘Lest we forget’ on both Union and Poppy stamps from Thursday November 11th until end of Tuesday 30th November 2021. The Poppy stamp will temporarily replace the Machin stamp during this time.

In the event, problems with the payment system prevented the machines from being operated normally, but rather than using the logic of 'the time has passed' somebody decided that 'Lest We Forget' and the Poppy stamps should still be used so that collectors would buy them, even if it was two weeks late.

UPDATE 24 November:   My thanks to Malcolm and 'cfn' for information from the unofficial but only news site for Post and Go, that of Royal Mail's contractor IntelligentAR, concerning the military museum sites.

"IAR is pleased to announce that Worldpay have finally fixed some of the payment issues on Post & Go kiosks.

Accordingly, the delayed Poppy and Overprint will now be available on kiosks:

A003 FAAM

A004 Submarine Museum

A006 HMS Trincomalee

Dates: Friday 26th November until end Friday 10th December

When the remaining NMRM kiosks come on-line (A002 and A007) they will carry the current Flag and Machin with ‘Royal Navy’ overprint."

Lest We Forget images below from 'cfn', from machine A004 in the RN Submarine Museum. The Poppy is MA15 and the Flag MA19.


I should have added this image earlier, also supplied by cfn, of the A013 Mail Rail imprint on MA15 Poppy stamps.

MA15 Poppy Post & Go strip with Mail Rail imprint from machine A013



22 comments:

  1. Swindon 03/11/21

    SSK67 1st class Winter Greenery R19YAL - 2nd class Winter Greenery CL20S
    SSK68 1st class Winter Greenery R20YAL - 2nd class Winter Greenery CL20S
    SSK69 1st class Winter Greenery R19YAL - 2nd class Winter Greenery CL20S

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  2. 04/11/2021 - The main Postal Museum Post & Go machine has developed a technical fault and is currently not working. Information from staff state that it should be up and running early next week. For brief period once it works again Poppies will be put in the Machine. From 1st December, Winter Greenery will be added.

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    1. This issue is caused by a Worldpay update overnight on the 3rd / 4th November, I understand it has knocked out all museum kiosks with the exception of A013 at Mail Rail.
      As you may be aware the pin pad in use on A013 is a more modern type so therefore works after the update I believe the solution is to change all the readers to the newer type.
      Hopefully this can be achieved prior to the 11th November for the Remembrance overprint.

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    2. Update on Worldpay issue
      A006 HMS TRinomalee
      A009 Shakespeare and
      A013 Mail Rail are fitted with newer type keypads so continue to work normally.

      Pinpad update scheduled to take place at
      Postal Museum A001 today 9th November
      FAAM A003 and Submarine A004 10th November and
      GWR A010 12th November

      This will leave A002 NMRN and A007 Explosions to be fitted week commencing 15th November therefore Remembrance strips will be delayed from these kiosks will advise when live again.

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    3. Sorry for delay in updating this post the postal museum kiosk A001 is back in service the status of the NMRN, RNSM, FAAM and Explosions is not known but the Remembrance overprint will not go on until a unified date when all kiosks are working has been confirmed.
      Anyone visiting NMRN should note the kiosk is now located in the Victory Gallery the last building on the left hand side.

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    4. The Lest we Forget Overprints go ahead from this Friday 26th November until the close on the 10th December but only at the following locations.
      Fleet Air Arm, HMS Trincomalee and RN Submarine.
      The other two kiosks at NMRN and Explosions will be fixed shortly but will then continue with the normal Royal Navy overprint on Machin and Flag as is normal.

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  3. Having visited numerous Post Office SSK's in the London area I cannot find any yet that have R21YAL or CL21S. All are either R20YAL or older.

    Has anybody come across any of the new print in the London area ?

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    1. I have tried a number of London offices as well and have not found any 21 date stock, I to would be grateful for any updates.

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    2. Chris just a quick follow up to this did you find R18YAL anywhere on your travels

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    3. No, the oldest I found was R19YAL.

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  4. Could anyone please confirm that this really is MA19 and not R19? Many thanks.

    584246 Solihull WHS
    SSK68 1st class Machin MA19

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  5. Roll was changed from MA16 to R19YAL between purchases
    DP

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  6. 111244 Harlow, Essex (8th November 2021 visit)
    SSK67 1st Class Machin MA16; Second Class Machin CL17S.
    SSK68 1st Class Machin R20YAL; Second Class Machin CL17S.

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  7. Following my trip to Harlow yesterday, I tried 12 Eastcheap, City of London.
    030003
    SSK67 1st Class Winter Greenery R20YAL
    SSK67 2nd Class Winter Greenery CL20S
    Other machines had engineer doing routine maintenance but assured me there were no Year 21 Winter Greenery. It appeared that they had plenty of stock of other types of coils and did not need further stocks of anything. Really helpful in the P&G Area and also on the counter (Counter K) who really put themselves out to find some cylinder numbers on booklets for me. Virtually no Machins with year 2021 many were 2019 and a few 2020.
    Doug (Enfield)

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    1. Report received of the following in kiosks yesterday
      Gloucester 014523 MA16, R17YAL and R18YAL Poppies kiosks unknown and CL19S Greenery all kiosks
      Chichester 263937 19 Greenery all 3 kiosks

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  8. Three offices from 9 November 2021

    100615 Chester WHS
    SSK67 out of service
    SSK68 1st Winter Greenery R20YAL, 2nd Machin CL18S
    Office closes between 12pm and 1pm due to staffing


    331434 St Helens
    SSK67 1st Winter Greenery R20YAL, 2nd Winter Greenery CL20S
    SSK68 1st Winter Greenery R20YAL, 2nd Winter Greenery CL20S
    boxes had 2021 embargo date

    390460 Wigan WHS
    SSK67 1st Machin R18YAL, 2nd Machin CL17S
    SSK68 1st Machin R20YAL, 2nd Machin CL17S

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  9. 031005 Barnet, EN5 5UU
    SSK67 1st Winter Greenery R21YAL
    SSK67 2nd Winter Greenery CL21S
    Two machines but second one busy and 'card only' transactions. Assured that same stamps had been loaded as in SSK67.
    Doug (Enfield)

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  10. Exeter 13th Nov
    SSK67 1st Winter Greenery R19YAL, 2nd Winter Greenery CL19S
    SSK68 1st Winter Greenery R20YAL, 2nd Winter Greenery CL20S
    SSK69 1st Winter Greenery R20YAL, 2nd Winter Greenery CL20S
    SSK70 1st Poppy R17YAL, 2nd Winter Greenery CL20S
    SSK71 1st Winter Greenery R20YAL, 2nd Winter Greenery CL20S

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  11. Some office updates over the last few days as follows

    Nottingham 555227 20 Greenery k67-k69, 19 Greenery k70 and k71
    Bottesford 178227 k67 21 Greenery
    Ashton 153424 19 Greenery only 1 kiosk in service
    Sunderland 005343 1st Greenery R20YAL, 2nd Greenery CL21S
    Lowestoft 559136 OOS

    Has anyone access to either Perth or Belfast offices as these are not offices who respond to postal requests

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    1. One further update
      Barnstaple 602519 20 Greenery

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  12. A couple of Post Offices 15/11/21

    341340 Creswell
    SSK67 1st class Winter Greenery R19YAL, 2nd class Winter Greenery CL19S


    496217 Leicester WHS
    SSK67 1st class Winter Greenery R21YAL, 2nd class Winter Greenery CL21S
    SSK68 1st class Winter Greenery R21YAL, 2nd class Winter Greenery CL21S
    SSK69 1st class Winter Greenery R21YAL, 2nd class Winter Greenery CL21S
    SSK70 1st class Winter Greenery R21YAL, 2nd class Winter Greenery CL21S

    DP

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  13. RN Submarine Museum 26/11/2021 - Poppy 'Lest We Forget' is MA15, Flag is MA19.

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