tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-61379575088648114.post3780067527706458046..comments2024-03-28T16:38:56.638+00:00Comments on Norvic Philatelics Blog: Startling misprint on Olympic Gold Medal stamp sheetIan - Norvichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16436130277706268046noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-61379575088648114.post-22841357485295876462013-08-07T10:25:40.183+01:002013-08-07T10:25:40.183+01:00Just click on 'Error' in the word list to ...Just click on 'Error' in the word list to the right. Not all are Olympic but there are some others there.Ian - Norvichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16436130277706268046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-61379575088648114.post-31389341466647611222013-08-03T17:58:55.413+01:002013-08-03T17:58:55.413+01:00Hi
Any more on this or any other London 2012 vari...Hi <br />Any more on this or any other London 2012 varieties/ errors one year one. <br />Just wanted to know if there are any other errors out there and how rare they are.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-61379575088648114.post-44778730238916462642012-12-06T10:19:18.583+00:002012-12-06T10:19:18.583+00:00Actually the concepts of Litho printing is differe...Actually the concepts of Litho printing is different.Our thought the main principle behind the working of Litho Digital Printers is the fact that oil and water never mix. This type of printing generally uses a flat working surface. Here, the flat surface area is coated with oil and water and the different types of oil-based ink draws the image, picture or the text and the damp area is fashioned such that it repels the oil-based inks. <br /><br /><a href="http://www.digitalprintplus.co.uk/" rel="nofollow">Litho digital printers</a><br /><br />cristonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06079651777465782464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-61379575088648114.post-20590400742434665882012-08-29T22:48:10.804+01:002012-08-29T22:48:10.804+01:00Thanks IanThanks IanTrelantishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04537566448394951396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-61379575088648114.post-73110420197123920042012-08-29T13:28:30.301+01:002012-08-29T13:28:30.301+01:00In a nutshell, you are right. The base sheets wer...In a nutshell, you are right. The base sheets were said to be printed by Walsall in litho, but we know that they can't, so it had to be Cartor.<br /><br />Royal Mail said that there would be 'digital' overprinting, but what does that really mean? Nothing in printing terms - it could be laser, ink-jet, litho... I think 'Digital' from their point of view meant that the images would be transmitted digitally, plates would be made, and printed from. In fact, that's how a lot of printing is now done - if you want a leaflet printed you make it up as a pdf file and send it to the printer by email attachment.Ian - Norvichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16436130277706268046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-61379575088648114.post-38292099174414921632012-08-29T12:26:38.136+01:002012-08-29T12:26:38.136+01:00Can anyone clarify this techno-printing stuff for ...Can anyone clarify this techno-printing stuff for me?! From what I understand from previous postings, the base sheets were printed in and imported from France - therefore Cartor and Litho printing (as Cartor don't have Gravure capability). The Regional printers then added their bits by Litho also? (Not sure what digital printing means). So the whole minisheets are actually all Litho? Am I right? Have I misunderstood? Many thanks for any clarification.Trelantishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04537566448394951396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-61379575088648114.post-44433129300792103742012-08-28T20:27:49.717+01:002012-08-28T20:27:49.717+01:00Thanks Paul (and Chris who sent an email). I woul...Thanks Paul (and Chris who sent an email). I would think he has a few if he is breaking them into singles and at a fixed price.Ian - Norvichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16436130277706268046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-61379575088648114.post-51254752252822725092012-08-28T19:19:13.212+01:002012-08-28T19:19:13.212+01:00Ian
Note that another displacement has turned up ...Ian<br /><br />Note that another displacement has turned up on Ebay today. This time the Chris Hoy stamp. The displacement is not as large as the previous examples but is still obvious. The item number is 300770992353. The offer is only for singles so printer is unknown.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08151814269001102492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-61379575088648114.post-83983587537517977282012-08-28T13:40:26.156+01:002012-08-28T13:40:26.156+01:00Some comments have been deleted at the request of ...Some comments have been deleted at the request of the poster, who was in a difficult position having written about the actual printing process.Ian - Norvichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16436130277706268046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-61379575088648114.post-45861467114487144752012-08-24T19:57:19.191+01:002012-08-24T19:57:19.191+01:00Presumably printed in Litho, not Gravure?Presumably printed in Litho, not Gravure?Trelantishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04537566448394951396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-61379575088648114.post-49121154454529164072012-08-24T16:53:42.914+01:002012-08-24T16:53:42.914+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.Ian - Norvichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16436130277706268046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-61379575088648114.post-72389842749733978682012-08-24T16:46:34.065+01:002012-08-24T16:46:34.065+01:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-61379575088648114.post-20915297078886328422012-08-24T16:38:21.990+01:002012-08-24T16:38:21.990+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.Ian - Norvichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16436130277706268046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-61379575088648114.post-65513135814138123142012-08-24T16:06:11.273+01:002012-08-24T16:06:11.273+01:00The market will find its own level. If somebody o...The market will find its own level. If somebody offered me a sheet today they would expect to get around £200 for it (taking into account that the eBay seller would have had ebay/paypal deductions).<br /><br />If a lot more were found then that price might be too high.<br /><br />Although our Anonymous printer writes about colour calibration I think he will be surprised when he sees my scans comparing the products of the six printers! But that will be for later.Ian - Norvichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16436130277706268046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-61379575088648114.post-8001747217823015272012-08-24T15:29:20.190+01:002012-08-24T15:29:20.190+01:00Ian - without asking for trade secrets or anything...Ian - without asking for trade secrets or anything - how do you go about assessing rarity or value in such cases? I suppose, at this stage, it's educated guesswork, as much will depend on how many such examples are found. Given how strict the process appears to have been, my guess is that there will a very limited number of such errors, and, on that basis, £209 for the eBay item is on the cheap side. What do you think?gillamonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-61379575088648114.post-29650184491415237092012-08-24T14:35:59.164+01:002012-08-24T14:35:59.164+01:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-61379575088648114.post-44766700651806649882012-08-24T14:07:20.881+01:002012-08-24T14:07:20.881+01:00Thanks for your comment. We know that security pr...Thanks for your comment. We know that security printing is a tightly run ship as far as quantity is concerned. However, some of the shade variations between printers are quite startling. I'll scan and post later, but for example the London printer's Velodrome stamps have a much more orange track than the others.<br /><br />The first image, at least, was bought over the PO counter, so not a make-ready - unless you think somebody slipped some make-readies in with the 'good' stuff in error??Ian - Norvichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16436130277706268046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-61379575088648114.post-78247266894480928492012-08-24T13:41:54.706+01:002012-08-24T13:41:54.706+01:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-61379575088648114.post-24115358132419638212012-08-24T09:36:49.515+01:002012-08-24T09:36:49.515+01:00Item number: 120969041661Item number: 120969041661Chris H.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-61379575088648114.post-87194938380960117842012-08-24T09:35:09.441+01:002012-08-24T09:35:09.441+01:00Interesting image. Just to clarify matters, Print ...Interesting image. Just to clarify matters, Print Week for 10 August states:<br />"....Contrary to most stamps, which are gravure printed, the Gold Medal stamps have all been printed using B2 sheetfed litho presses on pre-printed base stock. "Because of the nature of stamps, with things like the Royal Mail's security elements, we had to make sure we could control production quite tightly," said Fry. "So we used pre-printed base sheets that contained everything except the image and text of the winning athlete and these were then overprinted in four-colour process with a spot sealer. The metallics and special colours were all on the base sheets." <br /><br />Ian, I fear that you fell into the very trap that I did - they are NOT overprinted digitally, but lithographically (or four colour process as Martin Fry notes). I am sure that I had read that digital (over)printing presses would be used, or maybe I had simply assumed it! <br /><br />Note also that Martin states that the design was complete (including special colours) missing only the black text and photograph. So could it be that the BASE sheet was misprinted / mis-diecut at Walsall and that the overprint by the secret printer is effectively in the correct place based on how the sheets would feed through the press?Glenn Morgannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-61379575088648114.post-87488573876654385662012-08-24T09:29:53.991+01:002012-08-24T09:29:53.991+01:00Thanks Chris. I didn't spot it - do you have t...Thanks Chris. I didn't spot it - do you have the eBay number?Ian - Norvichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16436130277706268046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-61379575088648114.post-64076740384542736802012-08-23T22:56:35.850+01:002012-08-23T22:56:35.850+01:00When this item was listed on ebay I contacted the ...When this item was listed on ebay I contacted the seller to ask if he knew how many other sheets there were he reply was "Sorry, I don't know,but I believe, only about 6 have been found.£Chris H.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-61379575088648114.post-84311046666513583112012-08-23T20:47:17.749+01:002012-08-23T20:47:17.749+01:00PS:
Thank you, friend, for pointing out something ...PS:<br />Thank you, friend, for pointing out something that had not occurred to me before!<br /><br />I had assumed that ALL the common detail on the base sheets would be printed by Walsall, but as you so rightly point out, the Team GB logo on the stamps, and at the top left in the sheet margin, are printed by the digital overprinter. This is confirmed by looking at the Royal Mail video and seeing the pre-printed sheets loaded onto the digital printer's press - no colour there apart from gold and the beige lion in the background.<br /><br />This is probably so that Walsall didn't have to use the full range of colours. <br />Again, Well Spotted!!Ian - Norvichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16436130277706268046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-61379575088648114.post-49770285632961021002012-08-23T20:38:43.030+01:002012-08-23T20:38:43.030+01:00Thanks for your thoughts on this. I too wondered ...Thanks for your thoughts on this. I too wondered if it was Preston, but their problem was with platemaking, not colour registration.<br /><br />I believe the press sheets are B2 before trimming that is - as you say - 4 x A4 sheets so 16 miniature sheets or 96 stamps in total. Some, of course, might have been caught by quality control checks.Ian - Norvichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16436130277706268046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-61379575088648114.post-24357636335136608402012-08-23T20:34:03.550+01:002012-08-23T20:34:03.550+01:00Wow, just a top sheet so far, shame it wasn’t the ...Wow, just a top sheet so far, shame it wasn’t the bottom one as that would have shown which location printed it. This was GMW25, could errors of this nature have caused Preston to cease printing at GMW26?<br /><br />A shift like this given the method of printing would I guess have affected the whole printed sheet the same. I remember seeing a Royal Mail senior member of staff holding a test sheet with the bike design on, that suggested that the sheets going though the printing press held two A4 sheets across and two down and were thus larger than A2.<br /><br />Does that mean there are at least another 15 miniature sheets out there with this shift?<br /><br />Given the mad scrabble for the sheets that occurred at my Post Office on the day of release there are many A4 sheets that have been split in to miniature sheets stacked with the other stamps issued that day and slipped in to the Royal Mail storage envelope, some I expect are already been slip in to sock drawers for safe keeping.<br /><br />The give aways that an error has occurred appear to be<br />the recipient’s name details being printed over the gold design on the stamps and in the wide left margin<br />and the Team GB Lion and the Rings also moves off of the base line bottom left.<br />Also as the image spreads over the area between the stamps visually the dark chevrons with the image of Jade Jones appear unchanged but I expect would become rather obviously incorrect if single stamps were removed from the sheet; she will literally lose her head.<br /><br />This is a great blog, thanks.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com